Buckie, Are you referring to "Miller 1939", the case about the sawed-off shotgun? There is a more recent circuit court case where the indivudal right was upheld, and the Supreme Court would not reverse it.

Gee, Val, why all the posting in BOLD ? Figure it helps bolster a losing arguement? Here is alittle tidbit from the old country I thought you might enjoy:


PRAVDA

Firearm fever in Russia - 09/16/2004 19:02

After the recent terrorist act in Beslan, Russians began purchasing legal means of self-defense.

Some even address direct letters to different law-enforcement agencies across country with a plea to authorize sales of hunting rifles and self-defense firearms.

State Duma plans to adopt certain amendments by the end of this month, aimed at restricting the overall turnover of firearms and explosives in the country. The amendment however will apply only to Russian special services. At the same time, many delegates express their affirmative views to make the firearms market more liberal. According to them, if the state is unable to protect its citizens, let them have the right protect themselves, writes ?Izvestia¦.

?It appears that the Russian peoples have nothing else to do but to act as mere sacrificial lambs. Rebels do not take militia hostage; they prefer to torture defenseless people. And the government is incapable of protecting us,¦ states Yuri Dotsenko in his letter from Sochi. ?I am not saying that each of us needs a personal bodyguard. There is another issue at stake here. There is simply the lack of a governmental system aimed at protecting its people. In my opinion, there is only one way out of this mess: the state has to make guns legal. Let people protect themselves and their kids. Those rebels would not have seized the school had they known that every parent had had a gun.¦

Russian society is on the verge of the real firearms fever. People are racing to hospitals, psychiatric facilities in order to obtain needed certificates which will enable them to purchase firearms. They all are one thing only: to acquire a legal permission to store firearms at home in order to protect their families.

Those, whose past is rather shady (and there is a growing number of such people in our corrupted government) prefer to buy guns on the black market for about $1000 a piece.

Some experts claim that such ?fever¦ has to do with the new hunting season and pose no danger. Others however are inclined to believe that such great demand for the means of self-defense will lead to tragic consequences. State Duma intends to return to discussing the issue of legalizing some types of firearms pertaining only to the special services.

Last year (17 September 2003) State Duma had already discussed such legislative initiative prompting to mitigate the law. Back then, majority had voted ?No¦ in regards to the issue, informs ?Izvestia¦.

In the meantime, Kalashnikov look-alikes are in great demand these days. Barrel-free pistols gain popularity among people in Moscow as well. It is exceptionally difficult to obtain a permission for one of these guns. In critical situations however these types of guns appear to be way more effective than any other guns, reports the newspaper.

?Gas weapons are long past due,¦ explains one of the managers of the ?Oruzheiny Dvor¦ store Kirill Konyaev. Times change-today Muscovites are thinking about the real protection. Gas weapons can no longer ensure their safety. Majority of guns are quite bulky-Such barrel-free guns represent the best alternative.

One can acquire special permit at a licensing department of Moscow-s department of internal affairs. Their offices are located in every district of the city. A person just needs to prove that he/she is in good mental health, demonstrate his ability to load/unload a gun and the person will be free to head to the local gun store in a few weeks. According to some knowledgeable residents, it is possible to finish the entire procedure in a day or tow if one has extra $150-200 USD to spare.

Baitrunner, Yes, he was/is? I really don't know as we parted friends long ago.

Something bothers me about someone who is unwilling to stand up (if need be, himself) and protect himself, his family, and his property.

This should very well produce the irrelevant and ignorant question, (like), "Oh, I suppose you would shoot a kid if you caught him putting a cherry bomb in your mailbox?". So, for all those who don't really know what I am talking about, please don't post any silly questions.

Baitrunner, I was reacting to the post Val put up on the 1942 case but maybe it was the 1939 case I was thinking about. More important is the case you cite about the circuit court upholding the individual right to keep and bear arms that the Supreme Court did not agree to hear basically upholding the Circuit Court's ruling. I forgot about that too but it is the most recent situation and more meaningful.

Db, I've had the unmitigated misery of having to use a gun to defend myself, in the past. I've never had to shoot it; merely brandishing it was enough.

30 years ago, I was followed home one late night, by a gang of drunken ruffians who apparently felt I was driving too slowly for their taste. I pulled into my driveway, and they poured out of their car with baseball bats. I managed to retrieve an M1 Carbine from the tirewell of my old buick Sportwagon, jacked in a 30-round magazine, and they scattered like a bunch of jackrabbits! No one was hurt, but I'm sure I
saved myself from a serious beating.

Whilst putting myself through college for my degree in Criminal Justice, I worked at local YMCA which was beset with pediophiles. After consulting with the local PD, whose only advice was "Why don't you beat the schitt out of 'em?", I knew I was on my own. I confronted them, told them to get lost, and never come back.

They did come back, with some of the biggest, enforcer bruisers I've ever had the displeasure to meet. When they lunged over the counter for me, I grabbed "Emmy", (which by this time I was lovingly referring to her as!), pointed her square at them and smiled! Funny, they never came back after that. Wonder why?