well today is the day we've all waited for and no matter who gets elected, we're all screwed.
Don't we all know deep down that none of them are going to do anything to benifit the people?.
Maybe put a few hundred more laws on the books and keep reminding us that we're stupid and need them to tell us what is best for us.
I can remember when Truman ran and the grown ups were taliking about who was going to do the most for education,jobs and to keep peace in the world.
Now 58 yrs and hundreds of politions later, the wheels are comming of the whole world. We,ve gone backward.

Baitrunner,

I do not for a moment question your knowledge of military history.

However, with all due respect, I think you missed the point of the WWII vs. Iraq comparison.

JFM wrote:

"Yes, Japan attacked us, but not Hitler. Please tell me why our preemptive attack on the European continent was necessary? Hitler never attacked the US. (He technically declared war but never fired a shot)

I'm curious as to how you will argue that the European campaign was not preemptive?"

Therefore, your fascinating (as always) history lesson on Iraq and WWII does not address this question, in my estimation, unless I missed something. Wait, I'll read your post again....Nope, I am quite certain that your response to Flag Up, while unquestionably accurate as to the historic facts, is completely irrelevant to the subject at hand:

Comparing our eventual involvement in Europe during WWII to our preemptive first strike in Iraq.

Tactics and rules of engagement and Iraqi history aside, clearly there is no comparison between our entry into the European theater in WWII and our preemptive first strike in Iraq.

One can hardly call our eventual involvement in WWII, after being attacked by the Japanese and a subsequent declaration of war against the U.S. by Hitler's Germany, who had been slowly conquering the entire European continent for two years prior, a "PREEMPTIVE FIRST STRIKE", which was JFM's original point.

I'm sure you were very tired when you wrote that, what from posting all of your right wing propaganda and trying to watch Stargate at the same time.

Ya know, Bait, maybe you shouldn't mix the two. I think you may be confusing the two, and alot of SCIENCE FICTION is finding it's way into your political thinking! :p

A$$Buster wrote:

"The depth of your stupidity is astounding n2."

That is clearly an uncalled for low blow and and a petty and childish personal attack.

I don't think I have EVER called anyone STUPID or an IDIOT, or otherwise DEMEANED THEM PERSONALLY.

But it's ALL GOOD, DAWG!

Cuz ya know why?

"I is an amusement, isn't I?"

And we all know I can't be taken seriously, anyway, RIGHT ICE T, ICE MAN, ICE CUBE, ICE HOLE!!

There is only one, no, two... no THREE! ways to reply to what you said:

1) I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I? I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I?

2) I'M RUBBER AND YOU'RE GLUE, WHATEVER YOU SAY BOUNCES OFF OF ME AND STICKS TO YOU!!

3) NAH NAH NAH NAH BOO BOO!! NEE NER NEE NER NEE NER!!


:p :p :p

That's OK Rich, my wife and my two daughters and my Mom and my Dad are all voting for Kerry

SO WE WIN!!!

Nu2salt if you think we have become them,it's once again time to take your head out of the sand!