IceBuster:


You mean that kind of disrespect and intolerance?

Supporting racial profiling, making outright racial slurs about Arabs, Muslims, or stereotyping Puerto Rican males driving 4 cylinder Toyotas, insulting Val's ethnicity, etc., while complaining about us PC, hypersensitive liberals who cry about tolerance and being careful about offending people apparently doesn't bother you, but GOD FORBID, I should refer to the President as "DUBYA", which has been so bandied about by BOTH sides, and the media, and comedians on TV, that it has become a common nickname, and in the spin room at the debate the other night, his people had big signs that read "W" on them.

I acknowledge that YOU did not make any of those comments, and that YOU have not in anyway disparaged Kerry or referred to him in any other manner than you described, but I do think you are being a little overly sensitive and reading alot into my use of the now common nickname for the President.

I certainly intended no disrespect or intolerance, and if you really find that offensive I apologize. In any future correspondance I have with you I will certainly be more careful to refer to him as you refer to Kerry.

I wonder if the reason you were so quick to jump on that first is that (while you make some very good points and a very good argument, even though I disagree) perhaps you are not totally confident in your own case?


Yeah, I always hate it when politicians look you right in the eye and tell you "READ MY LIPS, NO NEW TAXES". You just know they are not going to be able to keep that promise. He would have been better off if he had just said that he would do everything in his power to avoid increasing the tax burden on those making under $200K, and would start by rolling back the tax cut on the top 1% to the same level it was at the end of the Clinton administration, but that we have a tough road ahead of us and we may all have to make some sacrifices. But then you and your fellow Bush supporters would have accused him of waffling and flip flopping, wouldn't you?


I am unclear as to what is your top priority? Is it taxes, the economy, or internal security and the safety of your children? Unfortunately, you may very well have to choose one over the other two. And you may have to pay for it! So perhaps we can't have our cake and eat it too, but we should really start taking a little of the cake away from those who have by far the biggest pieces, wouldn't you agree?


Voting records are funny things, really. There is often more to a bill than the specific title or issue that it addresses. Other things can be attached to a bill, like some big giveaway to special interests, or other unrelated items which a legislator is unable to support and can't get removed or recrafted in committees and debates. So he votes against the whole bill.

Furthermore, just because a legislator votes against a particular bill does not mean he is opposed to the entire issue, just the way that particular bill addresses that issue. Kerry has said he will support tort reform. And maybe the reason he has voted against any energy initiatives during the Bush administration is that maybe they contained certain giveaways or no bid contracts to companies like Haliburton or Enron?

As for taxes, everything else in this country goes up in price, gas, milk, heating oil, food, healthcare, I suspect that the cost of running our country must go up from time to time too. Maybe that explains at least in part why Kerry has voted to increase taxes during the over twenty years he has been in Congress. How much has your income increased over the past 20 plus years? I wonder how many times various Republican senators have also voted to increase taxes during that same period?

Thank you for your reply,

Jim

Geez Val, the one guy to say outright who he is voting for, without being a link or quote nut, and he gets the usual "diatribe of death" that is waaaaay too common in this thread. Or better yet, a bedtime "story" that had nothing to do with politics, just slander.
It's his right to vote, and who he wants to vote for. His opinion should be respected for that alone. Let the poor guy breathe...

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nu2salt, if you arent using the "quick reply", the buttons for bold, italics, quotes, etc, are right below the box you are typing the reply in. (the grey rectangle shaped buttons)

Yse, we can. Someday, we shall! (C'mon, Ron Paul; run already!) But Kerry/Edwards most certainly are'nt it! They're more akin to jumping out of the frying pan, into the fire!

Val, loved your little segue about the Bush administration being responsible for the increase in Black Lung Disease, (although, BLD, while dangerous, is not as dangerous as Silicois, another mining disease). Thought you might find this little tidbit amusing.

http://www.courier-journal.com/dust/frame_victims_blevins.html

Coal mining diseases are way too serious to lay at the foot of just one administration. Blaming it on the 4 years of "Dubya", is rather specious.


Val, you decry the "one-issue" voters, yet offer us a litany of reasons why Bush supporters will vote for Bush? Seems like more than one issue, to me! Oh, by the by, I simply ADORED the way you linked Bush supporters to "Racism and Bigotry". How stereotypically droll!

I say vote for none of the above I don't like both guys who are running. We are losing businesses in this state since the early 80's and it will never comeback here its gone and gone for good. No one is telling the truth everytime we have a recession we drop and flatline we never increase and go up we just go into another recession and drop lower andagain we flatline then it repeats itself all over again. Its funny the news the other day says in September we lost 4,900 jobs "BUT" we got 900 new ones so they make it seem ok? Are companies have learned a new word its called "outsourcing" it was called farming the work out but outsourcing sounds better. I don't know what the future holds for us in CT. but it looks grim. We were the industrial might of our great nation at one time and now our cities that had these awesome factories are ghost towns. I think the bottomline is no one wants to invest in America not even us who live here. Now we listen to false promises made by BUSH and Kerry and once they get in they sure seem to forget all about us little people who voted for sure. So far everyone we put in office has done little or nothing for us they only help the rich. And i firmly believe evertime us little people get up one more rung on the ladder money wise there comes another recession to drive us back down. Its been happening since the early 80's we have never got anything back yet we lost we just stay on the losing end. Then some will say they saved STANLEY from leaving the state WOW they are manufacturing somewhere else and where were these people when we lost all the other manufacturing companies were they sleeping? WE lost AVCO lycoming(stratford), Bridgeport machines, Bridgeport Brass shop, Bullard Company, Waterbury farrel, Farrel company (Derby) Condeisel(norwalk)
and a lot more my point is what was our politicians doing while this was happening. And UTC sends a lot of work out of the country too they have many manufacturing sites in every country now its just a matter of time whats left here will be gone too. We are in deep trouble and nothing is being said about it and we just stay over and over losing our jobs. We all can't work at McDonalds or Burger King or the casino's? But we are being sold down the river of no return. We taxed these companies all the way to their death and when will we ever wake up for its almost over.
Sorry for the rant but no matter who we put in office will change anything here we are past sinking and its too late to start the pumps we are too far gone. BigBill

Big companies show their shareholders profit by laying off people but whats going to happen when there's no one left to layoff and no money comming in? Its all about the shareholders making profits rather than keeping american jobs here and americans working like they should be!!!!

Naugy Joe: In your "schedule" of the RNC, you forgot to include the speeches made by DEMOCRATS like Zell Miller and Ed Koch. Especially the former calling the Democratic party of today the opposite of what "Real" Democrats like Roosevelt, Truman and Kennedy believed in (strong foreign policy--liberal domestic reforms). Now the party is quick to blame America first.

The last time a former Democratic candidate insulted the current Republican President was in the early 1860s when Stephen Douglas criticized Lincoln for the dissolution of the Union.

During this Presidency, we had Al Gore, Bill Clinton, and Jimmy Carter ( worst President in history...with the lowest approval rating ever--21% ) all bash the President--while our troops were fighting overseas.

I hate to say it, but it has been speculated that the Clinton-Gore Administration was somewhat jealous because 9/11 didn't happen under their watch. If it did, Clinton would have had an everlasting legacy in terms of foreign affairs. The Democrats were just recovering from Reagan's successful 2 terms in regards to foreign policy...now they had to deal with Bush's war against terrorism. So to counterbalance it...what do they do? Insult the President during war time ...talk about 'patriotism.' If I had my way, they would have been jailed :rolleyes: . Al-Qaeda was surely smiling at the gestures carried out by the Democrats.

Predictions

Florida: If Bush wins Florida (which he will according to trends) Democrats will cry 'voter suppression.' If Kerry wins it....there wasn't voter suppression. The Democrats have set up a back-up plan to try and belittle the President's re-elcetion. If Bush wins the Popular Vote this time, then that means that this time his Presidency will be legitimate. But the Left will say it would never have happened had he not won the first time

If Bush is re-elected: A massive protest from the far-Left. Their opposition will prove their lack of respect for democracy even though the election was fair. The whining continues.

If Kerry is elected: A massive protest from the far-left but more as a rude good bye present to the President....talk about sore losers.

Bush is re-elected: Democrats will aid al-Qaeda by trying to impeach the President. Like Alexander at Guagamela and Issus: defeat the enemy by striking the Head of the miliary. The Democrats in this case are the point of the spear.

Kerry is elected while we are in Iraq: He will stay the course in Iraq for some months. The media will SUDDENLY report only good news about Iraq. If the war goes well ...the Democrats will credit Kerry...if it goes bad; Bush is to blame. The Democrats love those back-up plans.