"Bowhunter, please show me how pollution has INCREASED during the last 4 years"

Jon,

There is no question that Bush's agenda has CLEARLY favored corporate polluters and has favored profits over the environment.

Your argument here is a non-starter.

Nice try.

Jim

Bush is a coward, a liar, and a dunce.

Jon,


First, Kerry feels that we went into Iraq prematurely.

Second, Kerry recognizes that we are there, and we must finish the job, even though we should not have gone in there the way we did, at the point in time that we did. The reality is we are there, and can't cut and run, we have to finish the job, we have to clean up the mess that Bush made.

Third, beyond Iraq, Kerry recognizes that the war on terror is a reality. It is not limited to nor defined by, Iraq. It is a global issue, not an Iraq, or even a Middle East, issue.

Fourth, the majority of the insurgency in Iraq is being carried out by Iraqi citizens who are displeased with our occupation. They weren't terrorists before, but they sure as hell are now! They probably share Islamic beliefs with those in Al-Queda and other terrorist organizations, but up until now, had not been engaging in such terrorist acts. They have been recruited and are being aided by such terrorist organizations. But not all the terrorists are in Iraq. We could nuke the whole country and kill everyone, and there will still be Al-Queda and other such organizations.

Fifth, Just because bombings and such are taking place in Iraq does not mean that other terrorists are not planning attacks elsewhere. There is a war in Iraq, so there are going to be bombings there. That does not preclude terrorists from deploying elsewhere and planning future attacks. How many terrorist attacks had we had on American soil prior to 9/11? Not many. How many have we had since, prior to invading Iraq? None. How many have we had since we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq? None. The conclusion you are attempting to draw is far too simplistic and naive, and does not hold any water.

Sixth, the war in Iraq DOES NOT make sense to the majority of Americans! I don't know what polls you've been looking at, but all the polls I have seen say that most Americans feel that in hindsight, going to war was a mistake, and that we did not have a good plan, and that the war is not going well.

To sum up, Kerry supports the global war on terror, and he recognizes we have to finish the job and clean up the mess Bush made in Iraq, even though he disagrees with the timing and manner in which Bush went in there.

John, now, now, your grumpiness is showing.

It wasn't a democrat who set up a phone jamming system try to disrupt volunteers from driving people to the polls, it wasn't a democraticly funded voter registration agency that threw out voter registration cards that were registering democrats, while filing all republican cards, it wasn't a democrat who ignored warnings that a list of "felons" contained thousands of errors which would result in preventing non-felons from voting, and it wasn't a democrat who failed to create enough early voting locations in places with the highest populations in florida.

Facts are out there. They all point to dozens of cases where republicans have tried to keep democrats from voting. Was it bushie who dunn it? No, but it was his party, and he hasn't tried to stop it.

Once again you selectively chose what is a fact and what isn't. Makes your arguments one sided.

JFM posted:

"Now they accuse Bush of a vast conspiracy to screw up the voting process."

That's PRECISELY what Bush and his brother and Katherine Harris did in Florida in 2000! EXACTLY!!

Take a look at the DVD "Unprecedented" which exposes the lengths that were gone to to steal that state's electoral votes.

If you want to continue to be duped, to be deceived, to keep your head in the sand, to go through life with blinders on, that's your choice to make. There is clearly a right wing and corporate conspiracy being carried out to seize and retain power in this country in the name of profit! Read the latest book by Kevin Phillips, forgive me, I still don't have the title, about the current "Bush Dynasty" and the neo-conservative movement. WAKE UP!! This is real, not the wild eyed imaginings of a handful of liberal extremists. Phillips was an advisor and strategist for Nixon and other Republicans, far from a left wing extremist.

"...about the new e-voting machines, (3 companies trying to get the contract)..."

The operative word there is "TRYING". The first generation of these machines is already in place and there was extensive coverage earlier this year about the fact that the companies that got these contracts had long standing ties to the Republicans and had management who were extremely conservative, and contributed heavily to Republican campaigns.

Watch and see, there are going to be more irregularities and more recounts in this election than there were in the last. Bush and the neo-cons will stop at nothing to hijack and retain power. MARK MY WORDS! We will not have the results of this election until after Thanksgiving, and it will not be clear or convincing, and Bush will again prevail at the hands of the Supreme Court. And this time, I shudder to think what the populist response might be!