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#1465944 - 12/26/12 08:51 PM Creating man made reefs
BLUECHIP Offline
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Registered: 06/19/03
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Freshwater guys do this with Christmas trees or PVC pipe pretty regularly...

Questions # 1: is this legal?

Question # 2: is it legal in saltwater...

Question # 3: are there any materials that are illegal? I would assume dumping regulations would apply??

Chris
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#1465996 - 12/27/12 12:20 AM Re: Creating man made reefs [Re: BLUECHIP]
Hughesatonic Offline
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Loc: Shelton , CT
I Wonder, why the state can't build a new reef or more? Every time a bridge is rebuilt over any river that will allow barge traffic below it . Like I-95 in Stratford, a very small percentage of the project can build a few local fishing hotspots!
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#1466037 - 12/27/12 11:41 AM Re: Creating man made reefs [Re: BLUECHIP]
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This is kind of a don't ask, don't tell issue. It's not something we go out looking for, unless there is someone dumping in a waterbody or obstructing a river or stream.

It's kind of sort of fish conservation, at least in inland waters. The statute permits fish conservation so I don't think you'll see any of our officers going out arresting anyone for sinking a christmas tree to build fish structure. If you want to find out about Long Island Sound or navigable waterways you need to check with the Coast Guard. I'm sure they have all kinds of rules, regulations and laws.

Here's the statute:

Sec. 22a-40. Permitted operations and uses. (a) The following operations and uses shall be permitted in wetlands and watercourses, as of right:

(1) Grazing, farming, nurseries, gardening and harvesting of crops and farm ponds of three acres or less essential to the farming operation, and activities conducted by, or under the authority of, the Department of Environmental Protection for the purposes of wetland or watercourse restoration or enhancement or mosquito control. The provisions of this subdivision shall not be construed to include road construction or the erection of buildings not directly related to the farming operation, relocation of watercourses with continual flow, filling or reclamation of wetlands or watercourses with continual flow, clear cutting of timber except for the expansion of agricultural crop land, the mining of top soil, peat, sand, gravel or similar material from wetlands or watercourses for the purposes of sale;

(2) A residential home (i) for which a building permit has been issued or (ii) on a subdivision lot, provided the permit has been issued or the subdivision has been approved by a municipal planning, zoning or planning and zoning commission as of the effective date of promulgation of the municipal regulations pursuant to subsection (b) of section 22a-42a or as of July 1, 1974, whichever is earlier, and further provided no residential home shall be permitted as of right pursuant to this subdivision unless the permit was obtained on or before July 1, 1987;

(3) Boat anchorage or mooring;

(4) Uses incidental to the enjoyment and maintenance of residential property, such property defined as equal to or smaller than the largest minimum residential lot site permitted anywhere in the municipality, provided in any town, where there are no zoning regulations establishing minimum residential lot sites, the largest minimum lot site shall be two acres. Such incidental uses shall include maintenance of existing structures and landscaping but shall not include removal or deposition of significant amounts of material from or onto a wetland or watercourse or diversion or alteration of a watercourse;

(5) Construction and operation, by water companies as defined in section 16-1 or by municipal water supply systems as provided for in chapter 102, of dams, reservoirs and other facilities necessary to the impounding, storage and withdrawal of water in connection with public water supplies except as provided in sections 22a-401 and 22a-403; and

(6) Maintenance relating to any drainage pipe which existed before the effective date of any municipal regulations adopted pursuant to section 22a-42a or July 1, 1974, whichever is earlier, provided such pipe is on property which is zoned as residential but which does not contain hydrophytic vegetation. For purposes of this subdivision, "maintenance" means the removal of accumulated leaves, soil, and other debris whether by hand or machine, while the pipe remains in place.

(b) The following operations and uses shall be permitted, as nonregulated uses in wetlands and watercourses, provided they do not disturb the natural and indigenous character of the wetland or watercourse by removal or deposition of material, alteration or obstruction of water flow or pollution of the wetland or watercourse:

(1) Conservation of soil, vegetation, water, fish, shellfish and wildlife; and

(2) Outdoor recreation including play and sporting areas, golf courses, field trials, nature study, hiking, horseback riding, swimming, skin diving, camping, boating, water skiing, trapping, hunting, fishing and shellfishing where otherwise legally permitted and regulated.

(c) Any dredging or any erection, placement, retention or maintenance of any structure, fill, obstruction or encroachment, or any work incidental to such activities, conducted by a state agency, which activity is regulated under sections 22a-28 to 22a-35, inclusive, or sections 22a-359b to 22a-363f, inclusive, shall not require any permit or approval under sections 22a-36 to 22a-45, inclusive.

(1972, P.A. 155, S. 3; P.A. 73-571, S. 1, 9; P.A. 77-599, S. 2, 7; P.A. 87-533, S. 2, 14; P.A. 88-364, S. 33, 123; P.A. 94-89, S. 15; P.A. 97-289, S. 5, 9; P.A. 98-209, S. 4.)

History: P.A. 73-571 allowed usage of wetlands and watercourses for grazing, farming, etc. purposes, for residential purposes, for boat anchorage or mooring and for water supply purposes "as of right" as was previously the case deleting exception "as they involve regulated activities", but allowed usage "as a nonregulated use ... provided they do not disturb the natural and indigenous character of the land" for conservation of soil, vegetation, etc. and outdoor regulation, where previously these uses too had been "as of right"; P.A. 77-599 amended Subsec. (a)(2) for clarity adding references to approval by municipal planning and zoning commissions and to July 1, 1974, as alternate approval date, amended (a)(4) for clarity by adding words "equal to or smaller than" with reference to lot size, by specifying that incidental uses include "maintenance of existing structures and landscaping" but exclude "removal or deposition of significant amounts of material from or onto a wetland or watercourse or diversion or alteration of a watercourse", amended Subsec. (b) to specifically prohibit removal or deposition of material, alteration or obstruction of water flow or pollution of wetlands or watercourses and to refer to field "trials" rather than field "trails" in Subdiv. (2); P.A. 87-533 amended Subsec. (a)(1) to require permits for farm ponds not essential to the farming operation, and certain road construction, relocation of wetlands and watercourses with continual flow, clear cutting of timber, and mining for the purposes of sale and amended Subsec. (a)(2) to require permits for all residential homes after July 1, 1987; P.A. 88-364 made a technical change in Subsec. (a); P.A. 94-89 added Subsec. (a)(6) re maintenance of drainage pipes in certain wetlands areas; P.A. 97-289 amended Subsec. (a)(1) to include in the operations permitted as of right activities of the Commissioner of Environmental Protection re wetland or watercourse restoration and mosquito control, effective July 1, 1997; P.A. 98-209 added new Subsec. (c) re permitted uses by state agencies.

Cited. 179 C. 250. Cited. 180 C. 421; Id., 692. Cited. 183 C. 532. The inland wetlands and watercourses act cited. 186 C. 67. Cited. 193 C. 414. The inland wetlands and watercourses act cited. 196 C. 218. Cited. 203 C. 525. Cited. 209 C. 544; Id., 652. Cited. 211 C. 416. Inland wetlands and watercourses act cited. 212 C. 710; Id., 727; 213 C. 604. Cited. 216 C. 320. Inland wetlands and watercourses act (IWWA) Sec. 22a-36 et seq. cited. Id. Inland wetlands and watercourses act (IWWA) cited. 217 C. 164. Inland wetlands and watercourses act cited. 218 C. 703; 219 C. 404. Cited. 220 C. 362; Id., 476. Cited. 226 C. 358. Inland wetlands and watercourses act, Secs. 22a-36-22a-45a cited. Id., 579. Inland wetlands and watercourses act, Sec. 22a-36 et seq. cited. 228 C. 95. Cited. 229 C. 247. Inland wetlands and watercourses act cited. Id. Cited. Id., 627; Id., 654. Inland Wetlands and Watercourses Act cited. 242 C. 335.

Cited. 4 CA 271. Cited. 5 CA 70. Cited. 6 CA 715. Cited. 7 CA 283. Inland wetlands and watercourses act cited. 12 CA 47. Inland wetlands and watercourses act cited. 15 CA 336; 18 CA 440. Cited. 19 CA 713. Inland wetlands and watercourses act cited. 20 CA 309; 26 CA 564; 27 CA 590; 28 CA 780. Inland wetlands and watercourses act, Sec. 22a-36 et seq. cited. 29 CA 12; Id., 105. Inland wetlands act cited. 30 CA 85. Inland wetlands and watercourses act, Secs. 22a-36-22a-45 cited. 31 CA 105; Id., 599; judgment reversed, see 229 C. 627, see also 36 CA 270. Inland wetlands and watercourses act cited. 32 CA 799. Inland wetlands and watercourses act, Sec. 22a-36 et seq. cited. 34 CA 385. Inland Wetlands and Watercourses Act cited. 36 CA 270; 37 CA 166.

Cited. 35 CS 145. Cited. 36 CS 1. Cited. 41 CS 444. Cited. 42 CS 57.

Subsec. (a):

Subdiv. (1): Regulation in effect at time of court decision is controlling. 18 CA 440. Subdiv. (1) cited. 20 CA 819. Subdiv. (1) cited. 24 CA 163. Re statutory limitation on farming exemption that prohibits "filling or reclamation of wetlands or watercourses with continual flow", the phrase "with continual flow" applies only to watercourses, not to wetlands. 117 CA 630.

Subdiv. (4): Statute intended to apply only to that which is already in existence on residential property, including residence. 183 C. 532. Subdiv. (1) cited. 215 C. 616. Subdiv. (2): There is no as-of-right exemption from wetlands regulation under this section for construction of houses on subdivision lots existing prior to July 1, 1974, unless a building permit had been issued for such lot prior to July 1, 1987. 229 C. 247. P.A. 87-533 cited. Id.

Subsec. (b):

Cited. 217 C. 164.
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#1466040 - 12/27/12 11:52 AM Re: Creating man made reefs [Re: Hughesatonic]
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Originally Posted By: Hughesatonic
I Wonder, why the state can't build a new reef or more? Every time a bridge is rebuilt over any river that will allow barge traffic below it . Like I-95 in Stratford, a very small percentage of the project can build a few local fishing hotspots!


FYI - All it takes is some public input/ demand. During the public outreach portion of these projects, if there's no public interest in adding a fishing platform, then the opportunity is lost, which is very common.
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#1466141 - 12/27/12 05:57 PM Re: Creating man made reefs [Re: BLUECHIP]
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It is happening to some extent. A buddy of mine was fishing a wreck off New Haven last year when he got snagged up on something. He managed to get it to the surface and it turned out to be a junk lawn mower.

I've got gas and I've got crabs. You wanna go out?


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#1466146 - 12/27/12 06:51 PM Re: Creating man made reefs [Re: BLUECHIP]
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We should all just sink old junk project boats in the same place, myeh, that's the ticket, myeh, someplace close to Westbrook.
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#1466181 - 12/27/12 10:55 PM Re: Creating man made reefs [Re: Bob Bradley]
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Originally Posted By: Bob Bradley
It is happening to some extent. A buddy of mine was fishing a wreck off New Haven last year when he got snagged up on something. He managed to get it to the surface and it turned out to be a junk lawn mower.



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#1466234 - 12/28/12 11:52 AM Re: Creating man made reefs [Re: BLUECHIP]
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Landed a half roll of wire fencing in Squanz last year
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#1466239 - 12/28/12 12:19 PM Re: Creating man made reefs [Re: BLUECHIP]
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The "Good Guys" have been making MAN-made reefs for some time now!!!

"Hey, I gotta nice pair a shoes for yous to try on..."
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#1466344 - 12/28/12 10:31 PM Re: Creating man made reefs [Re: BLUECHIP]
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My brother and his buddies have been doing this in RI for years. They search craigs list for old swing sets and other large metal objects and have been building a reef for about 6 years. They are all spear fishers so they hunt this site not fish it. I wish I could get a pic of the entire structure it is huge in about 60' of water. They use old cement blocks and chain to hold it all together. All of them are scuba divers and bring the material out in a boat and put it together underwater. It is quite the structure and always holds fish. The metal rusts pretty quick so they just rebuild as it corrodes.

Catch them by the mouth, If it flys it dies and if its brown its down. > <
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