Craig - big changes are underway now, examples are everywhere. I think we agree its a TRANSITION that will take at least 25 years, but we need to increase the momentum of the clean energy transition.

Agreed Lead Head!

I think some of you need to relax and have some respect for the person who started this thread. Go find some azzhole political finger pointing forum. From the sounds of it, some of you know the way already. No politics means no politics.

Our friend Larry is living this bullsh!t while you bicker about nothing that will make a difference. Have some respect and allow him to use it as a communication point to us instead of some retarded soapbox for your own selfish views.

I really wonder how many of the Anti-Petro crowd are going to ride their bikes to work tomorrow.....or better yet, give up their gas powered boats.

Todd: What about the pedestrian walking down the street. If he gets t-boned by a car, how is that different than the fisherman in the Gulf? Everything we do has risks/rewards. We all know we can get in a car and get killed or kill others, yet we are all willing to take that risk. Same goes for riding on airplanes, buses, etc etc....

If the risks outweight the rewards, then you should look into a switch, but very often it's not that clear.


All the technology you mention may have some opportunities and I know private industry is looking at ways to make them work because whoever invents a way to make they cost effective, they'll be very rich.

The problem is..............those who are the most anti-Petro are also the same people stonewalling alternative technology. Most Libs are against wind-farms in their area since the deem them unsightly and they'll chop up birds. Underwater tide technology seems to make sense but i already hear the uproar about people saying, NIMBY !! It goes without saying what they believe about Nuclear.

We definetly don't want to do as Brazil has with their Sugar Cane to Alcohol process. Brazil has clear cut millions of deep forest and rain forrests in order to have enough land to plant their cane.

The only short term solution is using natural gas for transportation. This takes the pressure off of drilling for oil and would for the most part eliminate the reliance on foreign oil and the transfer of wealth issues it brings us.
This transition has started. Many major cities like Los Angeles are already on natural gas powered vehicles. There are hardware companies that sell conversion kits to convert conventional cars right now (FSYS) and another company that has the distribution and filling station issues solved (CLNE). If you have natural gas piped into your home the equipment to convert your car and fill up at home from your gas utility exists right now.
Cars can run on propane or natural gas. Any hardware store has propane. The logistics of putting in a liquid natural gas pumping island in a present gas station are not difficult.
And the country has a known 200 year supply of natural gas already available to be drilled and piped and there is plenty more to be discovered in the West where the Feds own 50% of the land and don't allow much exploration.
Natural gas burns much cleaner than oil fuels.
So we:
--improve the environment with natural gas vehicles.
--reduce or eliminate foreign oil.
--stop the balance of payments drain that puts a huge burden on our deficits.
--no longer fund our enemies.
--energy purchases stay within our borders funding our economies.
--it exists now and can be combined with hybrids.
--it leaves the U.S. energy independant.
The cities are doing it now and the suburban areas should be next. It will be one of the major growth industries in the next 20 years. This is the only practical known technology with the resource available domestically that can offer a transition plan.

Oil and gas are usually found together, you still got to drill. Some of the wells I worked on were good natural gas producers. Using gas in cars is fine but not a solution. Vinman, by geo thermal do you mean heat pump?