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#1186407 - 02/22/10 10:43 PM Re: Confused....... [Re: zyg]
blackfish Offline
gotablucky

Registered: 01/05/05
Posts: 326
Loc: ct
Thank you Captain Raul Camejo for giving me the best help you can......I hope our lawmakers realize the situation we now find ourselves trying to live by. I know your job is enforce the law not make them.

Ya know, I am afraid to ask about non resident grandsons under sixteen.....is it safe to assume it is ok if I stay in CT waters.

Wow, the ramifications continue.......I have to admit I am embarrased now to invite my out of state friends fishing anymore......too much red tape and if I misjudge the ct ny boundary on Long Island Sound I and they are in trouble...ugh!

Yup.....need a lawyer, banker, portable pc. amd alarm, connected to hot spot and a printer on my 17 foot whaler.

I will contact NY and let you know what I learn but it is info only and you folks better have your attorney check it for you.

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#1186467 - 02/23/10 02:35 AM Re: Confused....... [Re: blackfish]
Keith G Offline

Member

Registered: 05/22/03
Posts: 3077
Loc: Suffield, CT
Sure glad the state of CT was in such a hurry to get something passed before 2011 when no other state in NE was.

I might be incorrect but I am never wrong!!

GO CELTICS!!!!!
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#1186479 - 02/23/10 08:01 AM Re: Confused....... [Re: Keith G]
old fart Offline
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Registered: 07/26/06
Posts: 437
Loc: Rocky -overtax- Hill, CT
Ah_ I gotta say_ this MORE than a little crazy right now. How about we just carry a few hundred bucks while we are out there and pay whoever stops us? I like that idea better. Then the state can increase it's revenue by hiring more DEP enforcement and we don't have to hire a lawyer in order to fish the sound. See_ that works out for everyone. (except the lawyers. Nobody cares about them anyway)

"Let the people think they govern and they will be governed."
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#1186593 - 02/23/10 04:01 PM Re: Confused....... [Re: old fart]
Bob Bradley Offline

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Registered: 11/18/03
Posts: 8205
Really. Can't I just pony up a C-note at the start of the season and have everyone on my boat covered by it? It certainly beats this nonsense.

I've got gas and I've got crabs. You wanna go out?


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#1186611 - 02/23/10 05:06 PM Re: Confused....... [Re: Bob Bradley]
gerg Offline

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Registered: 01/04/03
Posts: 8789
I agree with Bob. It makes no sense to have some guest get a one time license only to get a call 6 months later asking them if they caught any fish in the last two weeks.

As the boat's operator, let me keep the logs, and fine me if you ever stop me and they aren't up to date. You already let charter boats and headboats do it this way, and if I opt in for the added paperwork, why shouldn't I be allowed to as well?

Then just ask me what fish were caught on my boat in a particular timeframe.

You are going to get a lot more info from me, and it will be a lot more cost effective for you, to not have every persons name in a database somewhere.

Enforcement will also be easier since the boat would get a sticker indicating it is under a boat permit policy. You don't need to ask everyone for their license, determine who was an angler and who was a sightseer, and figure who is a ct resident.

After all, isn't the "intent" of this to maintain an anglers registry for data collection purposes?

Just sayin, I know this isn't the DEP's call. But a word to the legislature wouldn't hurt.

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Well behaved boats rarely make history.....
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#1186617 - 02/23/10 05:17 PM Re: Confused....... [Re: gerg]
jonh Offline

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Registered: 03/23/02
Posts: 12598
its much easier to make a couple of phone calls and then apply that catch rate data against the total number of registered anglers. more bad math, and almost exactly how its done now.. Ramp interview one or two anglers X number of trailers in lot X number of days in season = catch data.

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#1186634 - 02/23/10 06:21 PM Re: Confused....... [Re: jonh]
zyg Offline

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Registered: 09/21/03
Posts: 2005
Rep. John Stripp proposed just such a bill.

http://cga.ct.gov/2010/TOB/H/2010HB-05079-R00-HB.htm

It probably won't see the light of day and won't meet the Federal requirements in the end.

Under the Federal Registry the person listed as the owner on a HMS permit issued to a boat is allowed to fish without having to register. The other anglers on that boat would still have to register.

The Federal exceptions include anglers who are under the age of 16; only fish on licensed charter, party or guide boats; hold a Highly Migratory Species Angling permit; or hold and are fishing under a valid commercial or subsistence fishing license or permit.

This whole disaster would have been avoided if it was handled at a regional level by an organization that has authority over the species we fish for. An agency like ASMFC that has members from the states could have been charged with the task of registering/permitting/licensing anglers. It turned into a big rush. Instead we all can plainly see what some states have done because they smelled the money.
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#1188301 - 03/01/10 07:26 PM Re: Confused.......EVEN MORE .... ???RECIPROCITY??? [Re: zyg]
blackfish Offline
gotablucky

Registered: 01/05/05
Posts: 326
Loc: ct
I just received a response from New York and here it is.....

From: "Marine FW" <fwmarine@gw.dec.state.ny.us>
To: "carl or colleenf" <carlcolleenf@ct.metrocast.net>
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: Salt water license


Are there any reciprocal license agreements with other states where marine
waters form boundaries with other states?
Yes, in certain waters, if a state grants New York recreational marine
fishing license holders fishing privileges in that state's portion of the
boundary water(s), then New York grants appropriately licensed anglers from
that state the privilege to fish in the New York portion of the boundary
water(s) without securing a New York recreational marine fishing license:

Connecticut: those parts of Long Island Sound lying between New York and
Connecticut
New Jersey: those parts of New York Harbor, Hudson River, Kill Van Kull,
Arthur Kill, Raritan Bay, and Atlantic Ocean lying between New Jersey and
New York, and
Rhode Island: those parts of Long Island Sound, Block Island Sound and the
Atlantic Ocean lying between Rhode Island and New York.

http://www.dec.ny.gov/permits/54950.html
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#1188307 - 03/01/10 07:41 PM Re: Confused.......EVEN MORE .... ???Just what is RECIPROCITY??? [Re: blackfish]
blackfish Offline
gotablucky

Registered: 01/05/05
Posts: 326
Loc: ct
Wow......yeah I will cough it up but....

those parts of Long Island Sound lying between New York and
Connecticut



So...... a New York licensed person can fish the pink areas above but we cannot fish south side fishers island, the race, or south of plum?

So...... No water between RI and CT so will that mean no fishing in RI?

Is this what Reciprocity means????

If I have to pay 15 buck why doesn't ct collect 15 bucks from NY residents?

Ugly
Disgusted but will have to learn to live with it....Ugh! Things are really out of hand.

Thanks for listening.
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#1188399 - 03/01/10 10:48 PM Re: Confused.......EVEN MORE .... ???Just what is RECIPROCITY??? [Re: blackfish]
John from Madison CT Offline

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Registered: 06/28/02
Posts: 15927
Loc: Old Saybrook (formerly Madison...
There is an option to all of this.............don't get a license.

If, (big "if") they catch you, .....fight it in court.

I'd relish the opportunity to tell a Judge about all this nonsense and stupidity. They'd probably laugh and throw it out. Worst case, you probably just pay a reduced fine.

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