What I am about to say is not to offend anybody.

Henry, you are hopelessly brainwashed by the Faaaaaar Right. Like all cult members you may never know that. But at least you are not 'brain dead' like some of our less fortunate ditto heads (JFM and jon h come to mind). I can see that your neurons are still firing up in your head. I wish you would listen to nu2salt instead of parrying his logic with some pseudo-intellectual obfuscations. He is probably the best teacher you will ever come in contact with in your life. If he hasn't persuaded you, then probably nobody will.

Just about the same time as Kerry was a 'disloyal' anti-war criminal and Bush was 'loyally' saving his a$$ from Vietnam, I studied physics in college in the Soviet Union. Some of the kids on campus were exactly like you. They were 'loyal Soviet patriots' . If other kids would speak against the government the 'loyalists' would denounce their fellow students as anti-Soviet and un-Patriotic. They would sometimes rat the dissidents out to the KGB. You know what happened then. You major in History after all (read GULAG). The 'patriots' used the same slavish logic as you: the USSR was permanently at 'war' with the Yankee 'imperialists'. Good citizens must support their government and their Leader at the time of war. Etc., etc. But those kids were brought up in a Totalitarian state. WTF is wrong with you, man?

BTW, you know who won in the end in the Soviet Union, loyal citizens or disloyal ones?!.

I hope for your (and my) sake that Kerry wins the Election. A good dose of reality may cure you.

By reality I mean that a whole bunch of dirty secrets of the Bush White House will come to light. A lot of Bushies will probably be indicted for dereliction of duty or worse. We will know at last who outed Valerie Plame and why the maps of Iraqi oil fields were brought into the Cheney's Energy Task Force meetings, won't we?

Than we will talk again. See you after the Election.