NO ONE has said we LOST anything! At least not that I have seen.

On the other hand, Bush landed on a carrier duded up like Tom Cruise, and declared that the war was over and WE WON!!

Is that true? Does anyone believe this war is OVER, or that we have WON? A little premature to declare VICTORY, don't ya think? It's a good thing we won, because we have suffered more casualties since he declared the war was over, than we did while we "won"! I'd hate to think what a LOSS would look like!! And I'm not suggesting we are losing, just that it's not going very well, and we are becoming bogged down in something that may not be "winnable" by any reasonable, objective definition of "victory".

Many of us are saying that we went into Iraq prematurely, and that Bush and Co. lied to get you all to support him in doing so. And that he did so intentionally; and to further his own political agenda and the financial interests of his constituents, contributors, and supporters, so that you, and they, would continue to support him; so he would be reelected, so he could continue to do what he has done for the last four years, which is to manipulate our government so as to benefit those constituents, instead of doing what is in our collective best interests.