Spin : My "Liberal quote of the week" are AS IS from various political websites, books, or handouts. I am not altering them in any way. If you can find me more "accurate" sources, copy and send them to me and I'll have you to thank for my liberal quote of the week .
Nu2Salt : You were correct in asserting that my information may have clashed with the link Kevin B. posted. You may have over looked it, but I stated that the book is from 2000. The Duelfer report is fresh off the press. I admit that our intel was pathetic, and I have never been a fan of George Tenet. I feel he failed Clinton by not picking up on the bombings in Tanzania, Kenya, the Cole bombing; I feel he let Bush down by not alerting to 9/11 and Iraq's WMDs.
Also, how can you say my comment about Kerry's flip-flop on SUVs is "beneath me" when I have read several posts by you with language like "f**k"...and "F G W Bush" personally it is low class. I disagree with Joh Kerry but I don't hate him, and I maintain a debate using reasonable language. Let us be chivalrous in a debate.
I have mentioned this long ago, when we had Political debates o'plenty on this site, so forgive me if I sound like a broken record...but I did a 15 page thesis on how, and why, to invade Iraq back in March 2002. 75% of the data I cited came from Clinton Administration sources. Clinton actively sought to overthrow Saddam, by use of the Kurdish Peshmerga, the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, as well as American troops operating in small operations. Clintonites back in 1999-2000 recognized that Iraq had a role, although not huge, but a clandestine one, with terrorism.
I could show you the rhetoric from Clinton's people and mask their identities, and you'd probably say they were all Bushies.
As for tonight's debate, I feel Bush won, but barely. When it comes to debates I'll be honest and non-partisan. Kerry won the first one, and Cheney won the VP debate in my opinion.
Both Kerry and Bush did an excellent job tonight, and I feel Bush did slightly better because he exploited Kerry's flip-flopping in terms of North Korea and Iraq.
Kerry's Record of Siding with the Enemy
Kerry's stance during the Cold War has always been on the wrong side. Yes, we know he served in Vietnam honorably, and I disagree with the Swiftboat ads, but after returning to the US the damage he caused to American morale in Vietnam was worse than 10 Tet Offensives. I am sure the NVA would have sent their gratitude. If you wanted to see more unity during Vietnam...your views will clash with Kerry's Kerry\'s testimony
Remember people, throughout the Reagan Administration and the latter days of the Cold War, Kerry voted against some of the major weapon's programs and initiatives that ended the standoff with the USSR. If Kerry had his way, the USSR would have existed God knows how long. If you supported the successful end to the Cold War... your views will clash with Kerry's
In 1991, Kerry voted against the liberation of Kuwait, something even other Liberals disagreed with. So He won't go after Saddam if he is Iraq torturing people, and he won't go after him in Kuwait torturing people. I am sure Saddam wished there more senators like Kerry..if there were Kuwait would be flying the Iraqi flag. If you believed Bush Sr. had the right to liberate Kuwait from Saddam...your views will clash with Kerry's.
Historically speaking, Kerry is similar to Chamerlain, or Daladier. He means well in his pacificsm, and I am sure it works, but NOT AT THE CURRENT TIME. The worst thing you can do is vote for Kerry for 2004. And I am not saying this as a Conservative...if it were Clinton running for reelection RIGHT now and we were at war and the situation was the same, I'd vote for Bubba :p .
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