Striperman, Thanks for your input, sorry for anything that may have been insulting, but I've been taking my share of hits too! As for being preachy, what can I say, I believe in what I say, and try very hard to make my point as clear as possible, so I tend to get wordy. It's nothing personal, I just love a good debate, esp. politics.

Plus, except for you, I've been all alone here and under siege from all these conservatives!

SPUNFISHER! Where the hell have you been? They're killin' me here!