[QUOTE]Originally posted by jon h.:
"Kerry keeps telling me he has a plan for Iraq. I still have not heard it."

Then you clearly are not listening!

"Will I learn that he will go on to talk to other great nations (I bet he means France and Germany)? Talk is cheap. Bush is doing something."

That's one part of his plan, yes.

What Bush is doing is wrong headed and unjust, and the faster we can establish stability and get out, the better off we and the rest of the world will be. But as long as there is money to be made by the oil and defense industries Bush will keep us there.

"Kerry has said "this is the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time". He has also said that "I will track down the terrorists, wherever they are...." Aren't the f-ing terrorists in Iraq? They are there now."

This IS the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time. We should have focused our military efforts solely on Afghanistan and Bin Laden, and taken more time and continued to use containment and diplomacy where Iraq and Hussein were concerned. It worked with the Soviets during the cold war and they were a much bigger threat than Hussein ever was.

And yeah, the terrorists are there NOW! Was that his secret plan all along? Lure all the terrorists into one place? Unfortunately, Bush isn't that scary-smart to have even thought of that! What's he gonna do now, kill everyone there and lot Allah sort them out? And BTW, not EVERY terrorist is in Iraq, many are already right here in the U.S., not to mention elsewhere in Europe (like Russia?, Spain? Germany? etc, etc, ad nauseum). Saying the terrorists are now in Iraq, so that's where we should meet them on the field of battle is simplistic and naive.

"I don't know what an insurgent is, but the people doing these acts of barbarism in Iraq are terrorists."

Insurgents are rebels or insubordinates.

"I don't think it really matters what sandy desert country in the middle east this war is fought at."

THAT is the scariest freakin' statement I have ever heard! THAT is exactly the problem with the neo-cons and the right wing, and the entire Bush doctrine! THANK YOU! for making our point for us!

"Iraq was a good choice because at the same time we took out Hussein and are in the process of liberating his people."

Taking out Hussein was certainly a positive, but only collaterally, and was not and should not have been the focus or purpose. Liberating Iraq was likewise a noble endeavor, but could have waited, we waited this long, and could have been accomplished with time and diplomacy through less violent and costly means. And as far as "liberating" the Iraqis, to what, civil and religious war for the unforseeable future?

"This all at the cost of American lives, yes. But for those of you who forgot - we lost thousands in September of 2001."

Which can certainly never be denied nor forgotten, but that has nothing whatsoever to do with Iraq or Hussein. Again, wrong bad guy, wrong time, wrong place.

"Diplomacy - clearly does not work with these seventh century camel f-ers."

Smacks of racism, prejudice, and intolerance, IMHO, not to mention ignorance. Again demonstrating the very crux of the problem with the far right and the neo-cons steering the right's agenda. Scary stuff you're espousing there my friend!

"Oh yeah, F John Kerry"

Oh yeah, F W., too!

Respectfully,

Jim